Since this is the first Word for the Week of 2011, and we are studying how to know God’s voice and the prophetic gifts that He has given to His church, I want to begin by sharing what may be one of the most prolific messages God’s people have been receiving. The question I may be asked more than any other is what 11-11 means. Whether seeing it repeatedly on their clocks or in other ways, many people have been receiving this for years. New Year’s Day was 1/1/11 or 11-11. This usually speaks of a second chance, which is the message of Isaiah 11:11 because it is here that God promises to restore Israel to their land a second time.
When Isaiah received this message, Israel had not even been scattered from the land and re-gathered the first time. When Jesus was asked about the signs of the end of the age, one of the things He said was that we should consider the fig tree, which is a symbol for Israel. Israel is one of the bold prophetic messages that prophets watch and consider. Israel is a barometer of mankind. It is in a perpetual state of conflict, both within and without. This has lasted for so long and they have desired peace so much that they have even been willing to give up large parts of their tiny bit of land in the hope of achieving peace. However, instead of leading to peace, the land they surrendered has become a base for attacking them. Their peace will never come from man, but only from God. The good news is that it will come from God, which is the most basic message of Isaiah 11.
Peace will never come by giving away what God assigned to us, but rather by esteeming everything He has given to us even more than peace with men and by seeing His purpose as even more valuable than life. It is time for Israel to be grafted back into the Tree—God Himself. It is a beginning to be re-gathered to the land, but it is more important to be re-gathered to the Lord.
Israel is a sign of God’s faithfulness to His Word. In Jeremiah 31, the Lord states that the order of the sun, moon, and the roaring of the sea would cease before His promises for Israel would fail. Many believe that these are now fulfilled in the church, “spiritual Israel.” This is true of many of them, but this does not negate that they are also for “natural Israel.” The Lord makes it clear in His Word in a number of places that these are for the physical seed of Abraham. The Apostle Paul also asserted this in his most important Epistle on New Covenant theology, the Book of Romans, as we read in chapters nine through eleven. As we are warned in this text, it is a big mistake to “become arrogant toward the natural branches” (see Romans 11:18).
The main message of the re-gathered nation of Israel is that God is faithful to His Word. He remains faithful even if we are unfaithful, and in His faithfulness He will give us another chance. The whole chapter of Isaiah11 is about the restoration of the earth to the paradise it was originally created to be, a second chance for the whole earth—the re-gathering of Israel “the second time” is a sign that this is near. The kingdom of God that God’s people have been praying for since Jesus walked the earth is near.
This is a year for recovering what has been lost, for many promises to come to pass, and for the backsliders to be brought back. This begins with prayer, intercession, and often fasting. When Daniel read in the prophecy of Jeremiah that Israel was to be scattered from the land the first time for seventy years, he did not just start rejoicing that it was time to return, but he started fasting and praying for God’s Word to be fulfilled.
Why do the promises of God need intercession to be fulfilled? As we are told in Psalm 115:16, “The heavens are the heavens of the Lord, but the earth He has given to the sons of men.” The Lord delegated authority over the earth to men, which is why He will not do things on the earth until we ask Him to. This is also why Jesus became a Man to become the Mediator, and while on earth, He always referred to Himself as the Son of man. He was the Son of God too, but He came here to be a Man to recover what man had lost.
Therefore, when we know it is time for the promises of God to be fulfilled, we need to engage heaven with prayer and fasting, being intercessors in unity with Jesus who we are told “ever lives to intercede” (see Hebrews 7:25). He is a Priest forever, according to the order of Melchizedek, and we are priests in the same order. For this reason, one of the primary messages and works among His people will be to restore the priesthood to which we are all called.
Rick Joyner
วันจันทร์ที่ 7 กุมภาพันธ์ พ.ศ. 2554
วันอังคารที่ 25 มกราคม พ.ศ. 2554
แนวความแบบคนยิวและแนวความคิดแบบชาวกรีก - Hebrew and Greek Mindset

1. คนยิวเชื่อว่าความสัมพันธ์เป็นสิ่งสำคัญที่สุด ส่วนชาวกรีกคิดว่าความรู้สำคัญที่สุด
2. คนยิวเชื่อว่าความจริงเป็นรูปธรรมและทุกคนควรนำไปปฏิบัติ ส่วนชาวกรีกคิดว่าความจริงเป็นนามธรรมและเรื่องส่วนตัว
3. คนยิวเชื่อว่าความจริงถูกเปิดเผยและรับรู้ได้อย่างต่อเนื่อง ส่วนชาวกรีกคิดว่าการค้นพบครั้งแรกก็เปลี่ยนอะไรๆได้ยากเย็น
4. คนยิวเชื่อว่าพระเจ้าเป็นแหล่งและผู้เปิดเผยปัญญาทั้งสิ้น ส่วนชาวกรีกคิดว่าปัญญาถูกค้นพบด้วยตัวมนุษย์เอง
5. คนยิวเชื่อว่าศรัทธาความเชื่อและการวางใจเป็นสิ่งจำเป็น ส่วนชาวกรีกคิดว่าการพิสูจน์และประสบการณ์เชิงประจักษ์สำคัญ
6. คนยิวเชื่อว่าพระเจ้ามีจริง ส่วนชาวกรีกเชื่อว่าต้องพิสูจน์ได้หรือไม่ได้อย่างใดอย่างหนึ่ง
7. คนยิวมุ่งที่มีสัมพันธภาพกับพระเจ้า “พระบิดา” ส่วนชาวกรีกมุ่งรับรู้แค่พระลักษณะของพระเจ้าเท่านั้น
8. คนยิวเชื่อว่าอาณาจักรของพระเจ้าเริ่มตั้งแต่บนโลกขณะนี้ ส่วนชาวกรีกคิดว่าไม่เกี่ยวกับชีวิตบนโลกใบนี้
9. คนยิวเชื่อว่าชีวิตนิรันดร์เริ่มต้นเดี๋ยวนี้โดยมีสัมพันธภาพกับพระเจ้า ส่วนชาวกรีกคิดว่าชีวิตนิรันดร์เริ่มหลังจากตายไปแล้ว
10. คนยิวมีการคบหาสมาคมกับผู้อื่น ส่วนชาวกรีกมุ่งที่เรื่องส่วนตัว
11. คนยิวมีกระบวนการคิดที่ว่า ฉันต้องเรียนรู้ให้เพียงพอจึงจะตอบสนองและกระทำตาม ส่วนชาวกรีกคิดว่า “ให้ฉันคิดและสัมผัสก่อน และถ้าไม่เข้าใจอย่างถ่องแท้ ฉันจะสับสนและเคลื่อนต่อไปไม่ได้”
12. คนยิวเห็นคุณค่าของข้อล้ำลึก ส่วนชาวกรีกเห็นความสำคัญของข้อเท็จจริงและความรู้ ไม่พยายามรับรู้ข้อล้ำลึก
13. คนยิวเชื่อในสิ่งที่เหนือธรรมชาติและโลกที่มองไม่เห็น ส่วนชาวกรีกเชื่อในสิ่งที่สัมผัสจับต้องได้โดยประสาทสัมผัส
14. คนยิวเชื่อในเรื่องสงครามฝ่ายวิญญาณ ส่วนคนกรีกคิดว่ามันเป็นเรื่องงมงาย
15. คนยิวเน้นการพึ่งพาอาศัยกัน ส่วนชาวกรีกเป็นเอาแค่ตนเองพอใจ
16. คนยิวทำตามในสิ่งพระอาจารย์ทำและเป็นเหมือนกับเขา ส่วนชาวกรีกแค่รับรู้และไม่ต้องการเป็นเหมือนกับอาจารย์ของเขา
วันอาทิตย์ที่ 16 มกราคม พ.ศ. 2554
ความฝัน: วิญญาณนางเยเซเบล - Spirit of Jezebel
พระเจ้าเตือนผมในฝันถึงเกี่ยวกับเรื่องของผู้ปกครองในบ้านเมืองของเรา
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วันอาทิตย์ที่ 9 มกราคม พ.ศ. 2554
พระเจ้าทรงเป็นป้อมปราการ
1. พระเจ้าผู้ทรงเป็นป้อมปราการ ทรงอิทธิฤทธิ์และทรงยิ่งใหญ่
พระองค์ทรงปราบปรามอำนาจมาร ซึ่งมีมาดั่งสายน้ำไหล
ศัตรูมนุษย์เสาะหา ตั้งแต่อดีตสืบมา อุบายล่อลวงปวงชน
หนีโดยลำพังไม่พ้น แต่กลับถึงตายวายชีวา
2. แม้โลกเต็มด้วยอบายหมู่มาร เราก็ไม่สะท้านระย่อใจ
แม้มันหาช่องทางเพื่อต่อสู้ เราพึ่งฤทธิ์เดชพระเจ้าใหญ่
ทรงสำแดงน้ำพระทัย เอาความจริงสู้อุบาย
ให้พ้นกองทุกข์มืดดำ เข้าสู่ในทางชอบธรรม
พระองค์ทรงนามพระเยซู
3. ดำรัสพระเจ้ามีฤทธิ์เหนือโลก อาศัยอำนาจแห่งโลกไม่ได้
พระเจ้าประทานพระวิญญาณมา ทรงอยู่ฝ่ายเราตลอดไป
สิ่งอนิจจังโลกีย์ ย่อมสละทิ้งทันที
ร่างกายก็ถูกฆ่าได้ พระโอวาทถาวรไซร้
แผ่นดินสวรรค์นิรันดร
พระองค์ทรงปราบปรามอำนาจมาร ซึ่งมีมาดั่งสายน้ำไหล
ศัตรูมนุษย์เสาะหา ตั้งแต่อดีตสืบมา อุบายล่อลวงปวงชน
หนีโดยลำพังไม่พ้น แต่กลับถึงตายวายชีวา
2. แม้โลกเต็มด้วยอบายหมู่มาร เราก็ไม่สะท้านระย่อใจ
แม้มันหาช่องทางเพื่อต่อสู้ เราพึ่งฤทธิ์เดชพระเจ้าใหญ่
ทรงสำแดงน้ำพระทัย เอาความจริงสู้อุบาย
ให้พ้นกองทุกข์มืดดำ เข้าสู่ในทางชอบธรรม
พระองค์ทรงนามพระเยซู
3. ดำรัสพระเจ้ามีฤทธิ์เหนือโลก อาศัยอำนาจแห่งโลกไม่ได้
พระเจ้าประทานพระวิญญาณมา ทรงอยู่ฝ่ายเราตลอดไป
สิ่งอนิจจังโลกีย์ ย่อมสละทิ้งทันที
ร่างกายก็ถูกฆ่าได้ พระโอวาทถาวรไซร้
แผ่นดินสวรรค์นิรันดร
วันพฤหัสบดีที่ 30 ธันวาคม พ.ศ. 2553
My Book Goes on !!
My book, The Spirit of antichrist and spirit of false prophet , Is written first day...
Preface is now finished...
Preface is now finished...
วันจันทร์ที่ 27 ธันวาคม พ.ศ. 2553
Prepare For Glory...
I saw many kind of the churches in such denominationally, interllectually, strategically and many
It's doesn't match and fit for the Glory of God to come down as a tangible and holy heavy glory (Chabod). How Can we dwell in such a matchless of God's Glory? Where's the Miracles, Signs and wonders like the time of the Church fathers (Act of the apostles). What's God's willing to take place for the Church now, Lord... We cried and have cried and Still Crying for Different than we are living now.
We've lost many revival in a short time. That's our problem and the world itself. When God's people loose, the world begin to invade God's territory in the spirit realm on Earth. Satan still rules and the its seat still firm... and Its works on earth realm is moving and multiplying in such a Radical Madnesses in the hearts of People. On the other hand, Church still sleeps and looses their jobs(Establish and Expand the kingdom of God) By compromising with the worldly attitudes instead of The living Word of God and the Holy Spirit's calls. Each of Us Still satisfy self need and live in vain like this world is the Real home. Like the day of Haggai the prophet of God(YHWH), the israelites lived their lives all for themselves and Ignored the Temple of God(YHWH). That's why They spent many and lost more than they had at the first.
In the Same way,
We must come back to the Beginning and Think about the things we've done to God and to other and surely to ourselves. The answer is not quite easy to hear (insensitive) but If We obey this, we would gain a new Life in Christ. And If we want to See His Glory Reveal and Manifest in The Great and Awesome way, Surely we have to Prepare ourselves. That's all We can do now. Some people said that "God has nothing to Do with His power but you have to Prepare for Him to reveal His Grace in Due Time"
First: New born through Water and the Holy Spirit.
By water and Fill with Holy Spirit and Fire
Second: Denying Self and need of the flesh through the Spirit's Help.
Consecrate yourself by confessing and Repent(turn away from the old way of Sinful living)
by read the Word Of Truth (New and Old testament not either).
Third: Practice in the Way of God. Dont forget that the Highest Model we have to live is Jesus-like. Fast and Pray. Fruits of the Spirit and gifts of the spirit have to operate in our life and Grow in the Lord Jesus everyday and everyday.
Forth: communion with Saints and the Holy Spirit.
The Law is Love and Love Is biggest.
If you Do and Prepare yourself for His Glory, We Will experience His Glorious power. The Sick shall be healed, the Blind will see, the dead will rise...
Church: The answer of the World...
Maranatha, B'shem Yeshua Ha Mashiarch, Amen !!
It's doesn't match and fit for the Glory of God to come down as a tangible and holy heavy glory (Chabod). How Can we dwell in such a matchless of God's Glory? Where's the Miracles, Signs and wonders like the time of the Church fathers (Act of the apostles). What's God's willing to take place for the Church now, Lord... We cried and have cried and Still Crying for Different than we are living now.
We've lost many revival in a short time. That's our problem and the world itself. When God's people loose, the world begin to invade God's territory in the spirit realm on Earth. Satan still rules and the its seat still firm... and Its works on earth realm is moving and multiplying in such a Radical Madnesses in the hearts of People. On the other hand, Church still sleeps and looses their jobs(Establish and Expand the kingdom of God) By compromising with the worldly attitudes instead of The living Word of God and the Holy Spirit's calls. Each of Us Still satisfy self need and live in vain like this world is the Real home. Like the day of Haggai the prophet of God(YHWH), the israelites lived their lives all for themselves and Ignored the Temple of God(YHWH). That's why They spent many and lost more than they had at the first.
In the Same way,
We must come back to the Beginning and Think about the things we've done to God and to other and surely to ourselves. The answer is not quite easy to hear (insensitive) but If We obey this, we would gain a new Life in Christ. And If we want to See His Glory Reveal and Manifest in The Great and Awesome way, Surely we have to Prepare ourselves. That's all We can do now. Some people said that "God has nothing to Do with His power but you have to Prepare for Him to reveal His Grace in Due Time"
First: New born through Water and the Holy Spirit.
By water and Fill with Holy Spirit and Fire
Second: Denying Self and need of the flesh through the Spirit's Help.
Consecrate yourself by confessing and Repent(turn away from the old way of Sinful living)
by read the Word Of Truth (New and Old testament not either).
Third: Practice in the Way of God. Dont forget that the Highest Model we have to live is Jesus-like. Fast and Pray. Fruits of the Spirit and gifts of the spirit have to operate in our life and Grow in the Lord Jesus everyday and everyday.
Forth: communion with Saints and the Holy Spirit.
The Law is Love and Love Is biggest.
If you Do and Prepare yourself for His Glory, We Will experience His Glorious power. The Sick shall be healed, the Blind will see, the dead will rise...
Church: The answer of the World...
Maranatha, B'shem Yeshua Ha Mashiarch, Amen !!
วันพฤหัสบดีที่ 16 ธันวาคม พ.ศ. 2553
Apostle Joyner Meets Apostle Paul
‘Apostle’ Joyner Meets Apostle PaulApril 30, 2007
This is my third post examining Rick Joyner’s teachings in his popular book The Final Quest, which records a series of visions Joyner claims God gave him. In this post, I will look at a conversation Joyner — who claims to be a modern “apostle” and “prophet” — records between himself and the apostle Paul during a trip Joyner claims to have taken to heaven. The conversation should raise several red flags, which I will point out below.
But, first, I need to point out that Christians should view conversations with dead people with suspicion since the Bible forbids “necromancy” (the practice of communicating with dead people). Deuteronomy 18:10-11 and Isaiah 8:19-20 So, the very premise of Joyner’s book — which records his conversations with several dead Christians — should raise a legitimate question of whether he is guilty of practicing necromancy or not. That issue aside, I will now raise other concerns about the specific content of the conversation Joyner claims he had with the apostle Paul.
I’ll start with some background. Joyner says he is walking through heaven when he runs into Paul seated on a throne. Joyner tells Paul that he is honored to meet him. But Paul tells Joyner that the honor is his since Joyner is one of the soldiers in the “last battle” (the last-days battle between God and Satan). Then Paul confesses to Joyner that he didn’t accomplish all God wanted him to do during his time on earth, saying, “I fell short of all that I was called to do” (see pages 131-133 of Joyner’s book). Paul then adds:
“By the grace of God I was able to finish my course, but I still did not walk in all that I was called to do. I fell short of the highest purposes that I could have walked in. … I had been given so much to understand, and I walked in so little of it” (page 132).
Red Flag 1: Joyner claims Paul confessed that he failed to complete his apostolic ministry.I think Joyner is really going out on a limb to say that the apostle Paul confessed that he had fallen short of God’s call on his life. The Bible — including Paul’s own writings — gives no indication of this. Quite the opposite, at the end of his ministry Paul wrote: “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day” (2 Timothy 4:7-8).
Since the Bible gives no indication that Paul fell short, apparently Joyner expects us to take his word on this — based only on his alleged conversation with Paul.
Red Flag 2: Joyner twists Paul’s words.Joyner also says that Paul claimed — at the end of his life — to be “the greatest of sinners” (pages 132-133).
Paul did, of course, call himself the chief of sinners in 1 Timothy 1:15, but he wasn’t referring to his present status at the end of his life. If one reads that verse in context, it’s clear that Paul was referring to the time before he was saved, when he was guilty of persecuting Christians and blaspheming Christ. Read the context here: 1 Timothy 1:12-16. Yet, Joyner claims that Paul was speaking about the present, not past. Joyner says:
“I was being honest when I wrote near the end of my life that I was the greatest of sinners. I was not saying that I had been the greatest of sinners, but that I was the greatest of sinners then” (page 132).
I don’t understand why Joyner would twist Paul’s words like this — whether he does it intentionally or whether Joyner really doesn’t know how to read the Bible in context.
Red Flag 3: Joyner claims Paul confessed to being prideful.Joyner claims Paul told him that, as an apostle, he started off being prideful, but grew humble (page 133). Joyner says Paul pointed to his own New Testament writings as evidence of this transition from pride to humility — saying that, at the start of Paul’s ministry, he claimed to be equal to the most eminent apostles, then Paul claimed that he was the least of the apostles, then he claimed to be the least of the saints and then, finally, he claimed to be the greatest of sinners.
But Joyner quotes these four verses out of context. When Paul said he was equal to the most eminent apostles in 2 Corinthians 11:5, he was defending himself against false apostles who were challenging his apostleship. When Paul said he was the least of the apostles in 1 Corinthians 15:9, he was saying that, apart from God’s grace, he didn’t deserve to be an apostle because of his former role persecuting Christians. When Paul said he was the least of the saints in Ephesians 3:8, he was again acknowledging his former life of persecuting Christians. And when he said he was the greatest of sinners in 1 Timothy 1:15, he was referring also to the time before he was saved. Each of these statements was referring to different things. So, Joyner’s claim that Paul was admitting to pride — based on these verses — is off-base.
Not only does Joyner quote these verses out of context, but he also has his biblical timeline wrong. 2 Corinthians was written after 1 Corinthians, which means Paul said he was the least of the apostles before he said he was equal to the eminent apostles — not after — disproving Joyner’s claim that these verses indicate a progression in Paul’s humility.
Red Flag 4: Joyner claims Paul told him that Paul’s teachings aren’t part of the church’s foundation.Joyner says Paul told him that many Christians are distorting Paul’s letters in the New Testament by misusing his teachings as part of the doctrinal foundation of the church. Only the Gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) can be used as the doctrinal foundation, according to Joyner, because the Gospels are based directly on the teachings of Christ. Joyner quotes Paul saying, “His [Jesus’] words are the foundation. I have only built upon them by elaborating on His words. The greatest wisdom, and the most powerful truths, are His words, not mine” (page 134).
In Joyner’s vision, Paul does admit that his words are Scripture and are true. But he downplays their authority below that of the Gospels. This is bizarre to me, as Joyner seems to be suggesting that the parts of the Bible written by Paul are less important or authoritative than the Gospels. Yet, there is no biblical basis for this. Paul’s teachings are Scripture, so they are equal to all the Bible’s other teachings. I don’t know why Joyner would want to downplay Paul’s teachings as he does.
Red Flag 5: Joyner claims Paul equates his New Testament writings with Joyner’s writing.Toward the close of Joyner’s conversation with Paul, Paul tells Joyner, “Even in this conversation I can only confirm what I have already written, but you still have much writing to do” (page 135). First, I want to point out that Paul does much more in Joyner’s vision than simply confirm what Paul already wrote in Scripture. Paul tells Joyner many things outside of Scripture. So this statement isn’t true. Second, Paul seems to equate his New Testament writings with Joyner’s writing of The Final Quest. So, in effect, Paul is putting Joyner’s book on the level of Scripture.
This is my third post examining Rick Joyner’s teachings in his popular book The Final Quest, which records a series of visions Joyner claims God gave him. In this post, I will look at a conversation Joyner — who claims to be a modern “apostle” and “prophet” — records between himself and the apostle Paul during a trip Joyner claims to have taken to heaven. The conversation should raise several red flags, which I will point out below.
But, first, I need to point out that Christians should view conversations with dead people with suspicion since the Bible forbids “necromancy” (the practice of communicating with dead people). Deuteronomy 18:10-11 and Isaiah 8:19-20 So, the very premise of Joyner’s book — which records his conversations with several dead Christians — should raise a legitimate question of whether he is guilty of practicing necromancy or not. That issue aside, I will now raise other concerns about the specific content of the conversation Joyner claims he had with the apostle Paul.
I’ll start with some background. Joyner says he is walking through heaven when he runs into Paul seated on a throne. Joyner tells Paul that he is honored to meet him. But Paul tells Joyner that the honor is his since Joyner is one of the soldiers in the “last battle” (the last-days battle between God and Satan). Then Paul confesses to Joyner that he didn’t accomplish all God wanted him to do during his time on earth, saying, “I fell short of all that I was called to do” (see pages 131-133 of Joyner’s book). Paul then adds:
“By the grace of God I was able to finish my course, but I still did not walk in all that I was called to do. I fell short of the highest purposes that I could have walked in. … I had been given so much to understand, and I walked in so little of it” (page 132).
Red Flag 1: Joyner claims Paul confessed that he failed to complete his apostolic ministry.I think Joyner is really going out on a limb to say that the apostle Paul confessed that he had fallen short of God’s call on his life. The Bible — including Paul’s own writings — gives no indication of this. Quite the opposite, at the end of his ministry Paul wrote: “I have fought the good fight, I have finished the course, I have kept the faith; in the future there is laid up for me the crown of righteousness, which the Lord, the righteous Judge, will award to me on that day” (2 Timothy 4:7-8).
Since the Bible gives no indication that Paul fell short, apparently Joyner expects us to take his word on this — based only on his alleged conversation with Paul.
Red Flag 2: Joyner twists Paul’s words.Joyner also says that Paul claimed — at the end of his life — to be “the greatest of sinners” (pages 132-133).
Paul did, of course, call himself the chief of sinners in 1 Timothy 1:15, but he wasn’t referring to his present status at the end of his life. If one reads that verse in context, it’s clear that Paul was referring to the time before he was saved, when he was guilty of persecuting Christians and blaspheming Christ. Read the context here: 1 Timothy 1:12-16. Yet, Joyner claims that Paul was speaking about the present, not past. Joyner says:
“I was being honest when I wrote near the end of my life that I was the greatest of sinners. I was not saying that I had been the greatest of sinners, but that I was the greatest of sinners then” (page 132).
I don’t understand why Joyner would twist Paul’s words like this — whether he does it intentionally or whether Joyner really doesn’t know how to read the Bible in context.
Red Flag 3: Joyner claims Paul confessed to being prideful.Joyner claims Paul told him that, as an apostle, he started off being prideful, but grew humble (page 133). Joyner says Paul pointed to his own New Testament writings as evidence of this transition from pride to humility — saying that, at the start of Paul’s ministry, he claimed to be equal to the most eminent apostles, then Paul claimed that he was the least of the apostles, then he claimed to be the least of the saints and then, finally, he claimed to be the greatest of sinners.
But Joyner quotes these four verses out of context. When Paul said he was equal to the most eminent apostles in 2 Corinthians 11:5, he was defending himself against false apostles who were challenging his apostleship. When Paul said he was the least of the apostles in 1 Corinthians 15:9, he was saying that, apart from God’s grace, he didn’t deserve to be an apostle because of his former role persecuting Christians. When Paul said he was the least of the saints in Ephesians 3:8, he was again acknowledging his former life of persecuting Christians. And when he said he was the greatest of sinners in 1 Timothy 1:15, he was referring also to the time before he was saved. Each of these statements was referring to different things. So, Joyner’s claim that Paul was admitting to pride — based on these verses — is off-base.
Not only does Joyner quote these verses out of context, but he also has his biblical timeline wrong. 2 Corinthians was written after 1 Corinthians, which means Paul said he was the least of the apostles before he said he was equal to the eminent apostles — not after — disproving Joyner’s claim that these verses indicate a progression in Paul’s humility.
Red Flag 4: Joyner claims Paul told him that Paul’s teachings aren’t part of the church’s foundation.Joyner says Paul told him that many Christians are distorting Paul’s letters in the New Testament by misusing his teachings as part of the doctrinal foundation of the church. Only the Gospels (Mathew, Mark, Luke and John) can be used as the doctrinal foundation, according to Joyner, because the Gospels are based directly on the teachings of Christ. Joyner quotes Paul saying, “His [Jesus’] words are the foundation. I have only built upon them by elaborating on His words. The greatest wisdom, and the most powerful truths, are His words, not mine” (page 134).
In Joyner’s vision, Paul does admit that his words are Scripture and are true. But he downplays their authority below that of the Gospels. This is bizarre to me, as Joyner seems to be suggesting that the parts of the Bible written by Paul are less important or authoritative than the Gospels. Yet, there is no biblical basis for this. Paul’s teachings are Scripture, so they are equal to all the Bible’s other teachings. I don’t know why Joyner would want to downplay Paul’s teachings as he does.
Red Flag 5: Joyner claims Paul equates his New Testament writings with Joyner’s writing.Toward the close of Joyner’s conversation with Paul, Paul tells Joyner, “Even in this conversation I can only confirm what I have already written, but you still have much writing to do” (page 135). First, I want to point out that Paul does much more in Joyner’s vision than simply confirm what Paul already wrote in Scripture. Paul tells Joyner many things outside of Scripture. So this statement isn’t true. Second, Paul seems to equate his New Testament writings with Joyner’s writing of The Final Quest. So, in effect, Paul is putting Joyner’s book on the level of Scripture.
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